The Sanity Squad: Ding Dong

You all miss the point. The "left" are well aware of the evil of saddam, but see a dodgy trial and a lynching atmophere as hardly helpful.

"The left supporting evil"

oh come on.

Just because people disagree with you does not put them on the side of the devil. Grow up and gets some better arguments.

Jan 5, 2007 06:09 AM

Neoconned, I have heard most on the left minimize Saddams crimes, and that is evil. The left also minimized or excused the crimes of the Soviet Union and Moaist China. There's a pattern here.

Jan 6, 2007 09:03 AM

Neoconned- you are no more coherent here than you are on Dr Sanity's or my own site- though I applaud your mighty efforts to raise yourself from the quicksand of mediocrity.

Now, as to the watered down Jello-like substance of your remarks:

The left and you are hardly in a position to talk about evil primarily because you don't believe in evil. Moral relativism is your Promised Land.

If you did believe in evil, you would act on those, just as you act on the phony moral relativism you regard as sacred.

You would have acted when Saddam Saddam used gas on the Kurds. You would have acted when the Marsh Arabs and Shia were being slaughtered.

There were no mass demonstrations, no political activism (of course, the left did send human shields to protect Saddam) by the left protesting Saddam any more than there were demonstrations protesting the GIA in Algeria raping and dismembering children or the slaughters in Rwanda, Sierra Leonne, East Timor and the Philippines and a host of other places.

In fact, there has been more column inches of vitriol against the execution of Saddam (and America, Israel and Jews) than there has been on all the aforementioned atrocities.

I left out Darfur and FGM, so as not to put too fine a point on things.

Jan 6, 2007 05:35 PM

NeoConned: "You all miss the point. The "left" are well aware of the evil of saddam, but see a dodgy trial and a lynching atmophere as hardly helpful."

No, the left has only come to see Saddam as evil after he was tossed out and the "killing fields" opened up. However, that does not change the fact that the left who decry the neocons for bad intel, should have had the intel of Saddam's evil all along. Yet, if they did know, and did nothing, they did in fact support that evil by their inaction. Many on the right are equally guilty when they have, for reason's of "real-politik" supported tyrants of the right, but the left has not even had the excuse of using real-politik. In fact, as Siggy noted, the left had a long history of opposing any action (other than talk) against "GIA in Algeria raping and dismembering children or the slaughters in Rwanda, Sierra Leonne, East Timor and the Philippines and a host of other places."

I'm anti-death penalty as a rule, but Saddam pushes me to rethink that position as few have done since Idi Amin, Pol Pot and a few others.

Jan 7, 2007 07:17 PM

Carl etc

The left knows what evil is - torture killing, stealing, etc etc - the difference is the rightwing insanity squad fail to acknowledge it when it is done by their team.

And that's a simple and easily verifiable fact.

The left was very much involved in protesting American and British support for Saddam when he was committing those 'evil' acts with our support.

Your kind, however, were conspicuously silent on that regard - and the record demonstrates quite clearly. Your hypocrisy and selective amnesia demonstrate evil quite clearly - and it is you, again easily verifiable by the record.

For all of your comments about the left's vitriol against the execution of Saddam you fail to offer even one example - simply because it would make you look the right idiot you are when it is revealed that the concern has nothing to do with the death of a tyrant.

Again - your imagination is quite brilliant for someone so stupid and uninformed.

I'm quite willing and ready to debate any issue of your choosing to demonstrate for your audience your true agenda of hate and apology for U.S crimes.

Anytime and anyplace.

Jan 8, 2007 09:13 AM

Steve- I would be delighted to debate you, 'anytime and anyplace.'

Your challenge would be more credible if you had left a way for me to get in touch with you.

Now, I'm glad to hear you know what evil is- I would be more impressed if you had acknowledged evil on the part of the darlings of the left. That was after all, the subject of our discussion.

Of course, I'd be delighted to play the comparison game with you, comparing the west vs those darlings of the left when it comes to evil and crimes against humanity.

Now, you said, "The left was very much involved in protesting American and British support for Saddam when he was committing those 'evil' acts with our support" without providing any evidence to that effect.

Where was the left as Kurds were gassed and Marsh Arabs were being killed? Where was the left when Shia were being slaughtered and rape rooms were the order of the day?

Shall I go on, or would like to discuss where the left was when the GIA were raping children? There are a host of other issues we can discuss, if you like- I have after all, barely scraped the surface.

Why the left has been all over the Saddam execution and has barely acknowledged the victims is a red flag that cannot be ignored.

Like most lefties, you are a fraud and a hypocrite.

Call your local county mental health office and get help.

Know what I mean? Sure you do.

Jan 8, 2007 12:30 PM

'a case of justice being served at last'

Come on...
I think your good ol' boy red-necking ancestors would have said much the same about lynchings in Klansville, Kentucky back in the 'good' old days.

Jan 9, 2007 06:59 AM

'Like most lefties, you are a fraud and a hypocrite.'

Excuse me, but wasn't your old pal Saddam nurtured, armed and embraced by the good old US of A ?

Where was your concern for the marsh arabs, Shia, and Kurds, then ?

Jan 9, 2007 07:08 AM

Let's keep it public - much more useful I'm sure you'd agree.

Robert Fisk, Alexander Cockburn and scores of others, along with members of the British government, like Alistar Cookand many others, even members of Congress - the UN - I could list hundreds if you really need to question whether the 'left' as you put it were aware of western support for Saddam's crimes ( you look silly here my friend and obviously only read history appropriate to your,err 'argument').

Who are the 'darlings of the left' as you call it Carl?(and no, I don't do 'evil' - but for the sake of argument we can refer to crimes against humanity evil if you need too, it matters little). I don't know what framework you'd offer for a comparison of western crimes to others - but sure, let's play.

"Where was the left as Kurds were gassed and Marsh Arabs were being killed? Where was the left when Shia were being slaughtered and rape rooms were the order of the day?"

Where was the 'right'?- we know where the left were- opposing it and asking why their own goverments were actively supporting it as usual - what a ridiculous question. You shouldn't have gone there Carl - again, mountains of evidence to support my claim - none for you.

"Shall I go on, or would like to discuss where the left was when the GIA were raping children? There are a host of other issues we can discuss, if you like- I have after all, barely scraped the surface."

And the point would be what? U.S troops were raping 13 year old Iraqi girls this past summer and there were credible reports of raping boys in Iraqi prisons by U.S troops. What would 'going on' lead us too Carl?

Again Carl - put up or shut up - give me one - one example of the 'left'(you might want to provide a defintion for this to make it clear who the enemy is, Carl)being all over the execution of Saddam "barely acknowledging the 'victim' is a 'red flag' that "can't be ignored" - whatever in the world that means.

And then the childish insults. How becoming of mental heath professional. It makes one squirm at the thought of you in a a professional enviroment, Carl, it really does.

But, let's play my friend.

My guess is one round until I make you look sufficiently silly that you ban me in childish protest.

Right Neo-neocon?

I'll be waiting Carl....

Jan 9, 2007 07:45 AM

First things first.

Dr Insanity, you said,"Excuse me, but wasn't your old pal Saddam nurtured, armed and embraced by the good old US of A ?"

We gave Saddam aid, that is true. That said, he made deliberate choices.

If I give you a car to go to work and you decide to drink and drive and you end up killing someone, don't blame me for giving you the car.

You too, Dr Insanity, are a fraud and a hypocrite.

However, Your argument does have some merit and validity. After the debacles with Saddam, OBL, the Palestinians, et al, it is clear that western nations ought not give any support, financial or otherwise, to dysfunctional and repressive Arab regimes/leaders.

Onwards.

Steve, be a man and show some stones. I can debate you anywhere, anytime. Don't run away like a cockroach when the lights are turned on.

By starting or including Robert Fisk to buttress your arguments, you put yourself at risk. Fisk swore up and down that Hizbollah had no rockets or heavy weapons in Lebanon. He either lied or was clueless. In either event, he those who quote him have no business opining on matters they clearly no nothing about. See this:
http://sigmundcarlandalfred.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/robe rt-fisk-rides-again/

The same applies to Cockburn and others. Simply having an opinion does not mean that opinion is relevant, has merit or is equal to other opinions. Cockburn

Further, your remark that there was western 'support for Saddam's crimes' is absurd. Please advise as to any evidence of that.

You of all people ought to know that.

Now, the darlings of the left are many, so let's just start with the Palestinians and every other dysfunctional regime that the left supports.

The questions I posed to you remain unanswered. To simply say 'where was the right?' in answer to my question 'where was the left?' is not an answer and does not alleviate the hypocrisy of the left in selectively caring for only some victims.

Now, that, you 'don't do evil' isn't the least bit surprising.

Are you seriously equating the criminal behavior of a few soldiers to the deliberate rape and dismemberment of hundreds- and likely thousands- of 5 and 6 year old children as a deliberate matter of political and religious policy?

Are you insane?

By the way, here's an example an example of some leftard thinking:

"Executing Saddam is worse than the crimes he committed against his opponents"

http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=9841

Nice.

In any event, please continue to delude yourself into believing your arguments have merit.

You sound like Hassan Nasrallah, overlooking the cement dust bowl that is southern Lebanon and declaring complete and total 'victory.'

Maybe it is because of that complete and total victory, the Syrians are pleading with Israel for peace talks.

Jan 9, 2007 10:42 AM